But we look at the ability to expand margins, you talked about 50 basis points a year in gross margin, 16% segment margin. You're taking $3 billion to $5 billion of cost
out over time.
Does that help you in getting to these near-term goals? How should we think about the near-term goals in the context of these investments?
Jeff Bornstein - General Electric Company - SVP & CFO
I think the $3 billion to $5 billion our cost out goal is obviously an enormous motivation for making this investment in this side of technology. I think most of that
value creation is going to happen outside of the 2018 window. We will have use cases and we will have experiments that we're doing and applying the technology that
will demonstrate the cost savings, but I think most of that value creation is going to happen after 2018.
We committed to 50 basis points of margin improvement on average year-to-year for the foreseeable future. We made that commitment on an organic basis, so no
change to that direction whatsoever.
When you get to the outer years here 2019 and 2020 and beyond we think this will be a huge contributor to how we think about gross margin improvement and lower
product and service cost.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
Dave, anything to add on that?
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
No, Jeff. As I said during the discussion we at GE Aviation have done a pretty detailed inventory just based on three engine lines: GEnx, the LEAP and the GE9X
which will hit service in 2020. And we have a line of sight, quite frankly, through the existing installed base service as well as the new products, the $3 billion of that $3
billion to $5 billion that we quoted inside this presentation.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
Three things, Andrew. We will have parts in production across the other GE businesses by 2018, so you are going to see benefits in their margin rates, as well.
One other contextual point I think might be helpful by 2020 and the $1 billion roughly 40% of revenue will be services. So not only are we going to be expanding the
product buildout, but there's a very exceptional service stream that goes with this.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Citigroup - Analyst
Appreciate it, guys.
Operator
Julian Mitchell, Credit Suisse.
Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse - Analyst
Hi, thank you. I just wanted to ask a question around the $1 billion revenue target and what you are assuming there for any dissynergies from competitors who are
currently customers of Arcam and SLM walking away. I think if you look at Arcam, for example, Honeywell even presented at their Analyst Day just a few months
ago, SLM supplies to Siemens. So what sort of dissynergies have you factored into your 40% revenue CAGR target?
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
Dave, why don't you start and I will fill in as well.
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
Yes, so look, I think it's important that we put this in the right perspective. This is a big, digital industrial play for the Company beyond simply the Aerospace segment.
It incorporates an opportunity for us to sell machines across many segments: Automotive, Medical, Aerospace, Industrial, Electronics. This is a bigger play than just
Aerospace.
Relative to competitors in this space, look in Aerospace we do a lot of business with each other. I do business with United Technologies on a regular basis whether it be
Goodrich or whether it be Hamilton Sundstrand.
They do business with us whether it be through Avio Aero or one of our other or Unison which is another division. So I don't see any displacement as being part of this
story on a broader scale of this as a pure digital industrial play beyond the aerospace industry.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
I would just add, Julian, I think we have experienced not just in Aviation but across the Company where over time we have products because they are so competitive
we sell to some of our customers.
And I would say the backdrop to all this is an equipment market anyhow that's growing in excess of 20% to 30% a year. So there's a ton of opportunity out there.
Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse - Analyst
Great, thanks. Then just on the operating margin target of about 20% in five or six years time I think that's much higher than most additive manufacturing pure plays
are doing in the industry right now. So I wondered what you felt was different about GE's offering as you go into this industry, particularly in the context of other
industries like Energy Connections where you went in and obviously the margin performance there has not been at the level of the incumbent main peers.
Jeff Bornstein - General Electric Company - SVP & CFO
I think Jeff answered your question when he gave you the split. We think 60% of the revenue profile here is the machines themselves and we think we're going to have
a very compelling technology over time that's going to be highly differentiated. But there's a 40% services component in this including materials and powders that we
think is going to be very lucrative.
So there's no reason for us to think that this between services and equipment is going to look materially different than any other GE business on a going forward basis
where we're well in excess of 20% margin between both services and equipment.
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
Yes, Jeff, and I will just follow up. There is an opportunity here for more sophisticated playbook and services in this industry. That fits more into our equipment
businesses that you are used to seeing whether it be in Aviation or Healthcare.
So think of a service business that not only upgrades contracts on the equipment but provides advanced software for design and manufacturing, provides application
engineering skills which could be CAD all the way to the additive parts themselves. And think of contract manufacturing using additive as a service as part of the
business that we will explore. And think of materials application consultation as another piece of the services model here so that we can really certify material systems
to help accelerate the adoption of this in every one of the industry segments. So that's the model as we see it and build out.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
I would add, Julian, again I just think eventually companies here are going to hit escape velocity in terms of scale. We want to be one of those companies that does that.
And just from a pure product cost when we decompose some of the products it looks a lot like some of the Healthcare products we make. So I think from a systems
integration standpoint we have a chance to design technical, low-cost products that we think we can take to market and be quite competitive as we do so.
Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse - Analyst
That's great. Thank you.
Operator
Joe Ritchie, Goldman Sachs.
Joe Ritchie - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Thanks. Good morning guys. So maybe my first question, I have always thought of additive manufacturing for you guys as being more of a product cost story. Clearly
this seems to be a transition.
So I'd love to hear some thoughts around the evolution. How long have you guys been thinking about getting into the revenue component of this industry? And then
also if you could maybe touch on the investment that you need to make to help commercialize these two acquisitions.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
So maybe I will start, Joe, and then hand it over to David again. We've been practitioners for a number of years both at the Research Center, Aviation and other
businesses.
I think as we studied the technologies and learn more about the products and experience them ourselves we saw the industry evolving in a similar fashion to other GE
industrial businesses: systems integration, installed base service. And when we looked at our patent portfolio and technical foundation on both materials and equipment
it was maybe the most robust of anybody in the industry.
So it's a like business with similar customers where we seem technically advantaged in an industry that we felt was going to grow at multiples of the industrial world.
That to me is an entry point in terms of how I think about the growth of the Company.
Then I think we had the opportunity to enter two modalities. We've got another three underway at the Global Research Center, so we've got the chance to be a full line
player in a relatively short period of time. I think we felt like we could build a nice competitive position in the industry.
So let me turn it to David just in terms of any other color.
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
So I would say our journey on additive started back in the early 2000s, to be very frank about it. We hit the accelerator button when we went ahead and procured Greg's
companies, RQM and Morris Technologies. Greg had been on the cutting edge of applying additive in a more industrial setting than simply a prototype setting and was
specifically looking at metals.
As a result of our work with Greg we became very excited about the opportunities in Aviation to the point where we actually industrialized additive down in Auburn,
Alabama for our fuel nozzles for the LEAP engine which is our latest narrow-body engine that is in service now on the Airbus neo and getting ready to go on service for
the 737 MAX. So we have experience in it.
We then extended that experience to our Advanced Turboprop and our 9X. And the more we learned about it, the more we liked it and the more quite frankly
transformational this is for the designers and for everything, I mean for the whole supply chain, this is a very transformational technology moving forward.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
Let me just interject with something that I think might be getting confused a little bit is that we're really talking about the metals segment primarily here, guys. And
that's a very different segment than the plastics technology.
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
Exactly. That's exactly right.
So for us we not only do we want to be on the cutting edge as a practitioner across the Company for exactly what you said, not only cost out but innovation and design.
We look at this as a clear equipment business that we would like to participate in, as well.
Joe Ritchie - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
That's helpful. Maybe one follow-up for you, David, you mentioned that on the $3 billion to $5 billion in cost outs that you have line of sight on $3 billion just within
Aviation. Can you maybe just tell us a little bit more specifically what you're targeting within Aviation and beyond to get to the $3 billion to $5 billion?
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
Yes. So I would say looking at the installed base and then we take a look at the opportunity to bring additive into the services portfolio for an installed base. So think
about us having 46,000 installed engines in the commercial world by 2020 and the ability for us to look at the additive technologies as it impacts repairs in that entire
installed base and what that does for the services portfolio.
So that's one piece of this. And then think about the new products that we have coming to market: the LEAP engine, the Advanced Turboprop, the advanced helicopter
engine, the ITEP engine that we're working on with the Army right now as well as the GE9X, all of which have are ripe, quite frankly, for opportunities and also as
upgrades for our existing products.
So think of the GEnx engine and an upgrade strategy with that that allows us to take cost out and put more performance in the engine using additive. So additive is not
just about cost out, it's about changing if you will, quite frankly, the frame around the canvas that the designers work on. They are designing differently, more
effectively and more efficiently using additive than without it, which is one of the reasons that we're so excited about this technology.
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
I think just big picture think of across GE our ability to have more content of all of our products is just going to grow immensely through this innovation and this
technology. I think beyond that we will have capability that we can share with our customers and more broadly with customers in the industrial space both in additive
manufacturing similar to what we plan to do on the digital and analytical side. So, again, I think this just creates a more valuable GE for our investors.
Joe Ritchie - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Okay, thanks, guys.
Operator
Deane Dray, RBC Capital Markets.
Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
The roadmap for the parts conversion on the Aviation side, I'd be curious to hear what your experience has been on FAA approvals of these products. Are there any
unique challenges, if you've got a high volume of these products getting redesigned for additive manufacturing is the FAA geared up for these approvals?
David Joyce - General Electric Company - SVP & President and CEO, GE Aviation
Yes, terrific question, Deane. We've been working with the FAA, we've had them into the Aviation business in Cincinnati. They've walked lockstep with us to make
sure that everything we're doing we can verify the certification.
We will meet the same standards we do with any other part. Whether it's forged or welded or machined subtractively or additively it will go through the same level of
testing, the same level of quality assurance and the same level of FAA regulation. I don't know, Greg, I know you've worked with the FAA directly. Why don't I turn
this over for you to give a little color?
Greg Morris - General Electric Company - GE Aviation Additive Technology Leader
Yes, sure. Deane, it's a great question and I would argue it's not just the FAA, it's other bodies, government bodies such as the FDA in the medical arena. These are all
institutions that clearly have concerns about a new technology.
But we've worked for a number of years with the FAA and I know the same thing has been happening on the FDA side of the equation. So we've informed them very
carefully and we've walked them through the processes and I think we have a very strong level of comfort from these different bodies.
Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
That's good to hear. Then there's been a couple of references on this call about this being a great start, two assets, gives you two modalities, you've got some modalities
in your R&D center today.
Are there more assets that you have your eye on? How do you build out this platform? Do you need more resources in let's say CAD/CAM, but what's the buildout from
here?
Jeff Immelt - General Electric Company - Chairman & CEO
You know Deane, I think about this primarily as an organic play. In other words, we've been working in the space as David said and as Vic said for a number of years,
so we have a backlog of technologies that I think we think we can commercialize.
Similarly on the materials side I think if you think about the Global Research Center a deep pool of material technology and capability going forward. And then I would
say these two companies bring-in addition to just equipment-a number of ideas in terms of what we can do in the future.
So the way I would think about this from an investor standpoint is that we are sitting on a lot of capability already that these will just help us put a finer point on. But
the last thing I would say, Deane, is look, we're committed to lead in this business the same way we do in Aviation or Healthcare or other businesses and so we look
forward to growing and building capability. I think Dave in terms of the investment we're going to put into the business organically.
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